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17449 No.3975  

Interesting msg from Ron Paul:

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Dear Friends:
The financial meltdown the economists of the Austrian School predicted has arrived.

We are in this crisis because of an excess of artificially created credit at the hands of the Federal Reserve System. The solution being proposed? More artificial credit by the Federal Reserve. No liquidation of bad debt and malinvestment is to be allowed. By doing more of the same, we will only continue and intensify the distortions in our economy - all the capital misallocation, all the malinvestment - and prevent the market's attempt to re-establish rational pricing of houses and other assets.

Last night the president addressed the nation about the financial crisis. There is no point in going through his remarks line by line, since I'd only be repeating what I've been saying over and over - not just for the past several days, but for years and even decades.

Still, at least a few observations are necessary.

The president assures us that his administration "is working with Congress to address the root cause behind much of the instability in our markets." Care to take a guess at whether the Federal Reserve and its money creation spree were even mentioned?

We are told that "low interest rates" led to excessive borrowing, but we are not told how these low interest rates came about. They were a deliberate policy of the Federal Reserve. As always, artificially low interest rates distort the market. Entrepreneurs engage in malinvestments - investments that do not make sense in light of current resource availability, that occur in more temporally remote stages of the capital structure than the pattern of consumer demand can support, and that would not have been made at all if the interest rate had been permitted to tell the truth instead of being toyed with by the Fed.

Not a word about any of that, of course, because Americans might then discover how the great wise men in Washington caused this great debacle. Better to keep scapegoating the mortgage industry or "wildcat capitalism" (as if we actually have a pure free market!).

Speaking about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the president said: "Because these companies were chartered by Congress, many believed they were guaranteed by the federal government. This allowed them to borrow enormous sums of money, fuel the market for questionable investments, and put our financial system at risk."

Doesn't that prove the foolishness of chartering Fannie and Freddie in the first place? Doesn't that suggest that maybe, just maybe, government may have contributed to this mess? And of course, by bailing out Fannie and Freddie, hasn't the federal government shown that the "many" who "believed they were guaranteed by the federal government" were in fact correct?

Then come the scare tactics. If we don't give dictatorial powers to the Treasury Secretary "the stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet." Left unsaid, naturally, is that with the bailout and all the money and credit that must be produced out of thin air to fund it, the value of your retirement account will drop anyway, because the value of the dollar will suffer a precipitous decline. As for home prices, they are obviously much too high, and supply and demand cannot equilibrate if government insists on propping them up.

It's the same destructive strategy that government tried during the Great Depression: prop up prices at all costs. The Depression went on for over a decade. On the other hand, when liquidation was allowed to occur in the equally devastating downturn of 1921, the economy recovered within less than a year.

The president also tells us that Senators McCain and Obama will join him at the White House today in order to figure out how to get the bipartisan bailout passed. The two senators would do their country much more good if they stayed on the campaign trail debating who the bigger celebrity is, or whatever it is that occupies their attention these days.

F.A. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing how central banks' manipulation of interest rates creates the boom-bust cycle with which we are sadly familiar. In 1932, in the depths of the Great Depression, he described the foolish policies being pursued in his day - and which are being proposed, just as destructively, in our own:

Instead of furthering the inevitable liquidation of the maladjustments brought about by the boom during the last three years, all conceivable means have been used to prevent that readjustment from taking place; and one of these means, which has been repeatedly tried though without success, from the earliest to the most recent stages of depression, has been this deliberate policy of credit expansion.

To combat the depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to cure the evil by the very means which brought it about; because we are suffering from a misdirection of production, we want to create further misdirection - a procedure that can only lead to a much more severe crisis as soon as the credit expansion comes to an end... It is probably to this experiment, together with the attempts to prevent liquidation once the crisis had come, that we owe the exceptional severity and duration of the depression.

The only thing we learn from history, I am afraid, is that we do not learn from history.

The very people who have spent the past several years assuring us that the economy is fundamentally sound, and who themselves foolishly cheered the extension of all these novel kinds of mortgages, are the ones who now claim to be the experts who will restore prosperity! Just how spectacularly wrong, how utterly without a clue, does someone have to be before his expert status is called into question?
Oh, and did you notice that the bailout is now being called a "rescue plan"? I guess "bailout" wasn't sitting too well with the American people.
The very people who with somber faces tell us of their deep concern for the spread of democracy around the world are the ones most insistent on forcing a bill through Congress that the American people overwhelmingly oppose. The very fact that some of you seem to think you're supposed to have a voice in all this actually seems to annoy them.
I continue to urge you to contact your representatives and give them a piece of your mind. I myself am doing everything I can to promote the correct point of view on the crisis. Be sure also to educate yourselves on these subjects - the Campaign for Liberty blog is an excellent place to start. Read the posts, ask questions in the comment section, and learn.
H.G. Wells once said that civilization was in a race between education and catastrophe. Let us learn the truth and spread it as far and wide as our circumstances allow. For the truth is the greatest weapon we have.

Ron Paul

>> No.3977  
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okay - so how does the average citizen in a representative democracy bring about the dismantling of the Federal Reserve?

Can we dismantle the CIA and DHS along with it?

Don't tell me that these things happen by calling your congressman and threatening "not to vote for him/her in the next election," because that's laughable.

embedded institutions don't simply get voted out of existence because of public opinion.

Ron Paul sounds like he has "solutions" but all he's really doing is stirring the pot of discontent for votes with nothing feasible to put his "plans" into action. It's the populist way.

I agree with him on closing up shop in Iraq and bringing home the troops and money currently trapped there. But we already have an electable candidate who has those kind of deals on the table.

Ron Paul needs to get some powerful people working with him, instead of just play the part of Shouting Face In Front of Teleprompter.

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While i agree with a couple of his goals like getting out of Iraq and being against paying this ransom, er, bail out while being extorted by Wall Street with threats of middle class America losing it's retirement investments, he's a friggin' nutcake.

He wants to dismantle government except for the military. And anyone who still believes that nonsense about how the "free market" has some innate intelligent that can set prices and fix things up if we just quit regulating it is a moron. That's not what Adam Smith meant, it is inherently self-contradictory in its theory, and it has consistently been an utter catastrophe in practice.

>> No.3982  

>>3980
Anyone who thinks that an un-regulated free market will do anything but fuck everyone in the interest of maximising profit has either never worked in or never paid attention to a for-profit company.

>> No.3983  

>>3982

Heh....my Boss the other day dai, "I believe in free markets."

I thought, "no doubt you do with your salary."

>> No.3985  

>>3983

Did you tell your boss that in a TRULY free market there'd be no patents on any of those sweet-ass pumps he sells? So you'd have about ten million competitors all selling for next to dog-shit and he'd be making less than dog shit.

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>>3985

John, I'd like to introduce you to China.

Also, sometime let me tell you about IP here.

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You don't think the system we've been in for 95 years is nutty? You don't think a $100 bond, issued by the Treasury, by order of Congress, should be worth $100? It's issued to the Fed and bought back WITH INTEREST PLUS PRINTING FEE!

Who pays for that? If it's not issued into circulation, who pays for that debt?

You do.

We all have for all these years and we're so used to being reamed in the poopshoot by these banker scum, we think people like Ron Paul are nutty for talking about BALANCED BUDGETS, HONESTLY CREATED MONEY... AND OH MY... DON'T MENTION THAT GODDAMN PIECE OF PAPER "THE CONSTITUTION"!

Give me some Obomber quotes where he states he will balance the budget, end debt-based currency scams and adhere to the Constitution. They don't exist... because the MSM (and you guys apparently) would call him a nut.

Instead, we get obtuse platitudes about "change".

And, BTW, the other two banker scam central bank systems were disbanded by "nuts" and afterward America had no debts and was self-sufficient. Do some homework on how Lincoln funded the Civil War and then tell me a PRIVATE BANK should be issuing OUR MONEY with interest.

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thanks for the tirade.

i'm still asking - how does a private citizen go about dismantling a federal institution?

all you did was just scream out more rallying points for the base and more historical revisionism - but no actual plans by Dr. Paul about how he intends to dismantle the system and turn things around.

That's the whole trick to his thing - he doesn't have to. all he does is scream about the good ole days and how everything went wrong, and WHY ARE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE NOW?!?

because of "those guys!"

so cough up a plan already. make a valuable contribution to discourse. otherwise Ron Paul sounds like a wrinkled indy record store owner.
"the goddamn coporations, mannnnn."

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>>4010
i think the guy is okay, it's his fan club I can't stand.

The grossest thing about Ron Paul's fans and all the anti-fed/free-markets-rule crowd is that I've never heard a bunch of starfuckers get the major tenets of an ideology so goddamned WRONG.

Listening to some of these guys, like "Ian/Obomber McWar" is seriously like listening to Pat Robertson.

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He thinks the free market has an innate intelligence that can make things right if we just deregulate it, dismantle government except for the military, etc. That's nutty.

I for one am very concerned about the Constitution and have posted many times about the erosion of it in recent times, including faulting the Dems. Don't question my concern for the constitution because i correctly identify Ron Paul as a nutcase.

Also, you might want to think twice about the whole balanced budget thing. It's a narrative we progressives are fond of - that Clinton balanced the budget and the economy grew, but that's pretty much a fantasy. The budget was balanced for a variety of reasons having little to do with Clinton, like the technology boom and capital flowing into the country after the Asian and Russian crises of the late 1990's. As the stock market rose, so did revenue and we had a balanced budget. But this removed funds from the spending stream which doomed the expansion. With a really tight fiscal policy and the bursting of the tech bubble, the balanced budget virtually insured a downtown.

Progressives need to get the balanced budget mantra the hell out of their mindset and quit falling prey to it. It was one of the very first principles of Reaganomics to fail to meet the reality test and the reality is that in our current situation and our relationship to China (China holds our external debt), it is pretty much out of the question that we'll ever run a balanced budget.

>> No.4027  

...I don't understand why people think that this "way of doing things" should continue.

People like Paul kick and scream because people are fucking asleep. They live off of credit cards, take out loans like they do the trash and then freak the fuck out when Banker Man comes and shuts down the party. We've been living in a system of debt-based money since AT LEAST 1913 and the Great Depression was a very real symptom of trusting private banking interests to issue a nation's currency.

How ONE MAN dismantle such an institution? Andrew Jackson (with help) did it, it was done before as well. It can be done again. Once you instill the REALITY that money should be based on productivity, services rendered and the basic trade values of goods, and NOT a gamble of speculation and have interest attached to every single dollar that is printed, people might stop placing money in banks and if they fail, fuck them! People need to live within their means and stop using fake money to pay for real things. This is how this crazy stuff happens!

There is nearly a quadrillion in fake money, created from only 65 trillion of usable money that is accessible to people. This is because defaulted properties, bad mortgages and all the other bad credit is sold off to other firms, who then loan YET MORE money from that real stuff that is actually already be loaned out. These derivatives have created a problem for bankers that never existed before and the upper 1% is always going to call in the loans when the investors can no longer pay their bills.

Of course, every single war that has been created since 1913 was a staged fraud, where the enemy was being bankrolled by the same Anglo-European Gnomes of Zurich assholes who charge us interest for OUR money. Do a little homework and you'll see this clearly.

Ron Paul--if you paid more than a couple sound-bytes of attention to him--has clearly said you can't just "dismantle the government". Even the idea of that, is a pure strawman. He knows such things have to be incrementally slowed and once dollar-value improves and more productivity is seen here, more jobs are created and less people need to live off the teet of the taxpayer.

The slow death of the dollar could be easily placed upon the evil banking tyrants who's families have been running this scam for centuries, but it really rests in the hands of you and me for not giving a fuck.

We'll march in huge numbers for A FUCKING BASKETBALL TEAM, but we sit on our asses and let these things happen to our livelihood and our country. So, if this "No Banker Left Behind" bill backfires like rational people know it will, no more whiny bullshit from the people. If we aren't going to march en masse when 90% of us disagree and Congress does it anyway... I don't have any more faith in America.

>> No.4030  

>>4027

I'm sorry, but it's just naive to say that because Andrew Jackson did it we can do it.

Unless my history classes were wrong, Andrew Jackson didn't change an America of 300,000,000 people. His American wasn't the lynch pin of the WORLD economy. Changes in his America's way of doing business didn't have ripple effects in fucking Austrailia. Hell, there were countries that didn't even exist in Andrew Jackson's time that would be completely obliterated if we did what he did.

This is what I mean: this "theory" has about 1/5th of the reality needed to address this situation and ignores ALL of the reality of where we are as a WORLD economy. This isn't even informed enough to be dubbed idealism. It's just fucking nonsense.



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